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Post  DragonTamerChris on Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:12 pm

I made this creature suggestion for when Rebsingh is starting to lose avatar creatures to use for avadopts.

Anyways, this creature would be a hybrid of a zebra, and a mountain goat, I call it the Zebra Goat.

They would appear in the Air temple mountains.

I think the base would be a Zebra, it would have the fur of the mountain goat and it would have the stripes. It would have the horns of a mountain goat. It would have the hair of a zebra, the face of a zebra, and the small tail of the mountain goat.

Anyone want to try and sprite it?

(Look up images of the Zebra and Mountain goat if you need a picture for reference.)

Also, don't forget to make it look like it belongs in avadopts. ^^


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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  DemonAshley on Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:42 pm

sounds pretty interesting, i luff zebras and mountain goats have gorgeous horns i like to draw!
I wanna try sketching it sometime!! Very Happy
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  SilentSkieBlue on Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:37 pm

Haha, you've got a competeor in me, DA. I can't think of a more fitting air temple mammal, Chris, and would like to place dibs on spriting if I'm allowed to.
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  DragonTamerChris on Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:58 pm

I'll allow you to take dibs on the creature.

You can also try sketching/spriting it though you can't take dibs on sketching.

Since you are the only person I'm allowing to sprite it when it can be spritied, if there are no updates on it for 2 weeks I'm going to allow anyone to sprite it. (unless you post here saying you were busy with something or...yeah)

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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  SilentSkieBlue on Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:57 pm



This is what I've got so far, but I'm not sure on the front legs, they seem a little funky in the position they're in. I think they need to be a little tighter, but I've got to be done on the comp for the day so I'm updating you guys. Any opinion?

(BTW, this is just a rough draft, so don't get too crazy if something's wrong.)
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  Rebsingh on Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:09 pm

Amazing work! Smile Is it jumping? XD

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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  user560 on Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:51 am

It looks nice, i really like the head :3
One of the back legs looks wierd but i'm sure you'll fix that ^^
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  DragonTamerChris on Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:21 pm

SilentSkieBlue wrote:

This is what I've got so far, but I'm not sure on the front legs, they seem a little funky in the position they're in. I think they need to be a little tighter, but I've got to be done on the comp for the day so I'm updating you guys. Any opinion?

(BTW, this is just a rough draft, so don't get too crazy if something's wrong.)

I love it to. :3

Where are the zebra's stripes though? Or maybe you aren't including details like that right now? It looks a little bit too much like a goat but other wise I think it looks awesome. :3

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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  PhazonDragon on Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:29 am

SilentSkieBlue wrote:

This is what I've got so far, but I'm not sure on the front legs, they seem a little funky in the position they're in. I think they need to be a little tighter, but I've got to be done on the comp for the day so I'm updating you guys. Any opinion?

(BTW, this is just a rough draft, so don't get too crazy if something's wrong.)
User already mentioned this, but I thought I say what I thought looked weird. The perspective looks to be off with the back legs. The one that's supposed to be further back looks too big in comparison to the near leg, which is giving it this odd... 'I'm standing on a leg that's from the center of my body' as opposed to two legs for support.

The pose just looks a bit odd in general, but that might just be the position of it's legs. The front legs seem to be too large, or the back ones too small, in comparison with each other, and I think the position of the front legs is a bit weird, but I'm not sure how to fix that other than suggesting you look at pictures. :/
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  SilentSkieBlue on Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:52 pm

Don't worry, I'll get to the stripes, but they make it difficult to pick out the lines until it's shaded, and it's a lot of work to do if it's not just the way I want it.

Version 2/Version 1
The first one looked weird because my reference picture was in some sort of weird position between running and the start of a jump. For some reason I used that one, don't know why... Anyway, mammals have never been my strong point, but I saw that the shoulders of goats are higher up and not lower down (I draw reptiles so much more than mammals, I automatically aligned the forelimbs like a reptile, which does not coincide with those of mammals.) so I raised them and stared at pictures until I got some sort of feel for the limbs again, I cut down the horns because most pictures had them a lot smaller than I did, touched up his ears to make them more like a zebra and less like a cat and added the color to his 'mane' while I double checked everything else.

Again, still rough draft, so feel free to savage. ^^
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Post  ignite444 on Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:36 pm

Oh yes, that looks so much better now.

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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  user560 on Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:38 pm

I really like the back leg now ^^
Good work :3
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  SilentSkieBlue on Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:12 pm

Updates:
Stripes and some basic shading started, plus hatchling base:

This is getting closer to the final draft, so if you see something really small that you can fix/improve, go ahead and mess around. It's easier than trying to point out the individual pixels to me.

Shading Progress:
Face=Started, in progress
Forelegs=Mostly done, still tweaking.
Backlegs=Barely started
Belly/Back/Torso=Turning out really nice, technically in progress.
Horn: That color is just a placeholder. Still thinking about what color to use.

(For future reference: Shading stripes is ridiculously hard. REMEMBER THIS.)
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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  DragonTamerChris on Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:36 pm

SilentSkieBlue wrote:Updates:
Stripes and some basic shading started, plus hatchling base:

This is getting closer to the final draft, so if you see something really small that you can fix/improve, go ahead and mess around. It's easier than trying to point out the individual pixels to me.

Shading Progress:
Face=Started, in progress
Forelegs=Mostly done, still tweaking.
Backlegs=Barely started
Belly/Back/Torso=Turning out really nice, technically in progress.
Horn: That color is just a placeholder. Still thinking about what color to use.

(For future reference: Shading stripes is ridiculously hard. REMEMBER THIS.)

I love those. Very Happy

Is that the hatchling 1 or hatchling 2?

For the Horn colors iIm thinking you make it brown because most mountain goat's horn color is brown.

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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  PhazonDragon on Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:16 pm

Oooh lovely! The only think I'm seeing at a quick glance is that the front legs on the adult look like they don't have a bone structure, but I know it's there. Particularly, the lower half of the leg. I don't know how else to describe it. I mean, I know that if I think about it, I can trick myself into seeing the bone structure, but otherwise it looks... odd.

/confusing. Sorry. Well, I do like the hatchling sprite. XD Adorable! Though it looks like a bit of a pose thing going on. The pose seems a bit awkward, in particular, the hind legs seem weird. I do like the pose though. Might be a positioning thing? I feel like the hind leg shouldn't be that far out in relation to the rest of the body.
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Post  ignite444 on Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:48 pm

I like the adult quite a bit. Very Happy

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Re: Zebra Goat

Post  SilentSkieBlue on Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:36 am

Probably still in need of work, but eh. I can't see anything to fix right now, so I better take a break, come back later and see what you guys think.

I get what you were saying about the bone structure, and I hope the shading makes it more visible and less jelly-like.
Shaded the back legs, changed the back leg & face of the S2 (I couldn't shade it without it looking lame) made S1 and "egg" infant.

I'm also thinking about making dimorphic adults, because male mountain goats usually have bigger horns than females, or the females have none at all. Not so sure about hatchlings, though.
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Post  DragonTamerChris on Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:52 am

Looks nice so far. =3

Can you make the infant bigger, like almost the size of the hatchling? It seems like it is way too small for a zebra and a goat's baby. o.O
Descriptions:

Infant: "A cute little mammal is wandering around. It has the stripes of a zebra." (I'm thinking infant descriptions could have something like a "A cute little mammal is wandering around at the beginning or something like that.")

Hatchie (1): "The little mammal has grown a lot bigger and has starting to grow horns. It can also walk on four legs now."

Hatchie (2): "The mammal has gotten even bigger and has gotten a lot more stripes on it's body. The horns on it's head are also getting a lot bigger. It's even growing a tail! Maybe it will be an Adult soon..."

Adult: "The Zebra Goat is a very valuable creature to the Air Nomads. They use these Creatures to help with their nomadic herding but what they are even more useful for to the Air Nomads is carrying packages or important things up the Mountains of the Air temples. The stripes on the Zebra goat are nearly identical to one another unlike normal Zebra's. If a Zebra goat has a very strange stripe pattern it is considered very rare and can be worth a lot of money."

Fell free to edit those descriptions however you want, or make completely new ones.

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Post  ignite444 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:53 am

Oh very nice. :3 I do agree though, make that first hatchling a little bigger.

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Post  PhazonDragon on Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:34 am

DragonTamerChris wrote:Infant: "A cute little mammal is wandering around. It has the stripes of a zebra."

Hatchie (1): "The little mammal has grown bigger and has started to grow horns. It's steadier on its feet now." (Because it was already wandering around before… It can’t just be just walking on four legs now.)

Hatchie (2): "The mammal has grown even larger and there are more stripes on its body. Its horns are also growing. Maybe it will be an adult soon..." (All of a sudden growing a tail doesn’t make sense. I think it would be born with a tail.)

Adult: "The Zebra Goat is a very valuable creature to the Air Nomads. They are used for herding but what they are even more useful as manual labor. Zebra Goats can carry important packages or items up the mountains of the Air temples. Unlike ordinary zebras, the stripes on these creatures are identical to each other. If a Zebra goat has a strange stripe pattern it is considered rare and can be worth a lot of money."
Description edits in bold. I also removed a few unnecessary words, and fixed punctuation where needed.

I'm thinking I like the pose of the S2 hatchling now. -nods- Seems a bit more natural, I think, though the far hindleg seems a bit small despite the perspective. The infant stage could do to be a bit larger, yes. If we want to go proportional to the adult, that's definitely not the right size... But I thought that's what we're looking for. The infant just seems too small. There's not much there to help members figure out that it's a zebra goat. It looks like a brown-striped white blob to me.

The legs on the S1 seem to be in the right pose, but placed very oddly. They don't look like they fit on the sprite. It might be because they look too large... Or too thick. And here's a few pictures because I'm sucking at explaining what I mean.









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Post  SilentSkieBlue on Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:35 pm

I think I see what you mean with the S1 legs, I re-visited the egg-hatchling, which still needs a bit of shading before I can call it done, (It's the new small one on top) and started on a potential dimorphism sprite. I could be female or male--I left off the horns in case it's picked for female, but it could have smaller or larger horns depending. They're not too hard to put in, but it looks a lot more like a zebra without them.
Yes, the S2 hatchlings leg is a little further back than would seem normal, but it's supposed to be angled. Have you ever seen young animals walk? They wobble all over the place, and this guy's supposed to be looking over his shoulder as though he was just frolicking and heard something suspicious behind him.
Also, just incase you were confused, they do have tails all the way through, but the first two stages have them curled around their legs. A lot of pictures had baby zebras doing that, and I tried to mimic it.
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Post  PhazonDragon on Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:45 pm

Hmmm... I guess I can see it, with the S2 sprite, but I still think it looks odd to me. The size of the two hind legs, and the assumed distance that they are at in the sprite doesn't seem to match up. That's all, really. Because otherwise, I love the sprite.

(That infant is so adorable, by the way. So cute. He looks like he has a bit of a dog's head, but I really do love him. -stares- ._.)
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Post  SilentSkieBlue on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:39 pm

*poke* Finally figured out how to fix the leg, I think.
Also, possible dimorphism and baby shadins.

I imagined the second one being female, but it is a little larger and mammals tend to have side weighted on the males, soooo...whichever way you guys think is better, or only one, because apparently Rocky Mountain goats (which are not actually goats, according to Wikipedia) all grow horns and I never read anything about size variation, though I assume males horns are probably larger.

Sooo, any comments/edits?
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Post  DragonTamerChris on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:48 pm

SilentSkieBlue wrote:*poke* Finally figured out how to fix the leg, I think.
Also, possible dimorphism and baby shadins.

I imagined the second one being female, but it is a little larger and mammals tend to have side weighted on the males, soooo...whichever way you guys think is better, or only one, because apparently Rocky Mountain goats (which are not actually goats, according to Wikipedia) all grow horns and I never read anything about size variation, though I assume males horns are probably larger.

Sooo, any comments/edits?

Yay, the second adult looks awesome. ^^

I think the second adult should be male because it is a little bit bigger then the first one.

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Post  user560 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:27 am

Beautiful ^^
I agree with DragonTamerChris, the second adult is much larger so it's likely that it will be the male.
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